The interview is conducted by María Olid, Degree in Biology and Front-End developer, Who gives life to the channelWake up and YouTube, A space dedicated to the expansion of consciousness, Spirituality and personal growth.
From the beginning, Luján and María talk about the new bookMy life beyond life And about experiences close to death as “brushstrokes from beyond”. Luján explains that, The study that is being carried out at ICLOBY Foundation - Luz Project—, The research carried out in collaboration with hospitals collects cases of registered cardiac stoppages, Where the brain is clinically dead. In this context, People report awareness: You can see, to feel, think, have reviews of your life and encounters with deceased beings, experiences that should not be possible from the perspective of a materialistic mind. Luján emphasizes that materialist science considers the brain as the player of consciousness, and therefore denies these experiences. However, ECM exist and are repeated in multiple contexts, so they must be taken seriously. “We have to find out how it is possible that, When there is no brain consciousness, there is full consciousness. Perhaps consciousness does not depend on the brain”.
These experiences are deeply transformative. People who did not believe in anything spiritually change their scale of values, They lose the fear of death and look for a life with more sense. For Luján, These experiences reveal that consciousness may not depend on the brain. “We have to ask ourselves why, When there is no awareness, There is a full awareness. Maybe it doesn't depend on the brain”.
The interview also addresses collaboration with researchers such as Raymond Moody, Pim van Lommel, Manuel Sans O Alexander, All of them convinced that life continues after physical death. Luján affirms that even those who do not believe in anything, Living an ECM, They are completely transformed. “This world no longer satisfies them, They want to raise their spirit, Live with purpose. Matter is behind, And what they take is what is lived in the heart”.
When Maria asks what ECM has impacted her more, Luján replies that all: “They all prove that we are more than matter. They all help to understand that life makes sense. Even those who have not had an ECM can understand that change of meaning. We live in a materialistic world, Until something - a crisis, A duel, A disease - makes us rethink everything. In that darkness of the soul, Transformation may arise”.
Maria raises the quantum idea that life could be a simulation. Luján is open: “What if this world is just a virtual projection of the soul that is in another plane?”.
In one of the most moving moments, They talk about the death process. Luján emphasizes the importance of half an hour after physical death: “It is a sacred moment. The soul needs time to get rid of the body. An environment of respect must be generated, peace and love. Talk to him, Tell him to go to light, Put mild music, songs, mantras, prayers, Read sacred texts… All that accompanies the soul and facilitates its transit. Also relieves the duel of those who stay”.
Luján shares how it went from anesthetizing to wake up: “In my line, I slept to patients. Now I help them wake up”. Underline the importance of two key moments of the day: The awakening and going to sleep. They are transitions where conscious and unconscious are touched. Thank you to wake up and close the day in peace helps us live with presence. “Sleep is a small death. You can take advantage to release the pending, How the Ho’oponopono teaches”.
Maria emphasizes that the most transformative story in the book is that of Luján herself. The doctor talks about the power of the heart: “The heart has a nervous system, Hormonal and own structure. Gives more orders to the brain than the other way around. It is immediate, You do not need protection like brain, that works from fear. The heart acts from love and intuition. We have to learn to live from there. We have already developed the mind a lot, Now it's time to live with more humanity”.
They also reflect on respect for life. Many people who have lived an ECM become vegetarian, They stop killing insects. “Life is love, It is expressed in a flower, In a song, In a wind of wind. You have to live with reverence for everything I live”.
Luján says: “We are never alone. The beings who have left are with us, hoping we ask from the heart. But first you have to accept the situation, trust that life knows more than us. Only from there comes the help”.
They talk about social evolution: more and more people - especially young - are waking up. “This generation comes with another energy. You don't have to cover anything. Each being has its unique footprint. We all come to develop something different”.
About the ICLOBY Foundation, Luján explains that they work both in scientific research (especially in ECM with cardiac arrest) as in dissemination through the channelwe are soul, where they collect real testimonies. All ECM, regardless of the cause, They reveal similar patterns and a deep message: We are awareness beyond the body.
In the final part, address issues such as attention -”instrument of consciousness”—, The ability to amaze and humility: “Even if I have studied a lot, I don't know anything. Life surpasses me”. And about God, dice: “You can call it as you want: God, universe, quantum field. But the order of life is perfect. You just have to look how the human body works to see it. Life has immense wisdom. You have to flow with it, Do not resist”.
When Mary asks her for her desire for humanity, Luján summarizes it like this: “May everyone be happy. And for that, The first is not afraid of death. Know that we only leave the physical body. Life continues. And it's a continuous gift. You have to learn to enjoy it”.
A deeply inspiring conversation. An invitation to live with more awareness, More soul and more love.
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